I can't believe that they published that story.  We expect sensationalism and unsubstantiated rumors from supermarket tabloids but not formerly reputable papers.  

Including things like saying over and over that the press is not only Bad but also bad and evil.    

As should any organization that holds itself out as an impartial purveyor of 'news' or calls its practitioners 'journalists.'

The good news is, since there are no such organizations, no one need be ashamed.   

It's the logical end-result of the liberal dogma that no one should ever be made to feel ashamed - bad for the self-esteem & all.

jeez joe...i'll reluctantly agree with this part:



your article and 2/3 of those comments it's elicited til now support your claim.

but then you hadda go here:



it's been a damn long time--so long, in fact, i can't point to a month (much less a date) nor even a specific year for absolute certain--since the last time i chose sincerity over sarcasm, but i'm really trying here even though i'm sure it won't seem that way when i ask: did you read the post's article yourself?

perhaps they published two of em and this is the other one?

Foes Use Obama's Muslim Ties to Fuel Rumors About Him

otherwise, i'm atta loss.

that linked article is something totally different than whatever it is about which you're fulminating.

check out the 2nd graph in which obama is very accurately reported to be:

'a member of a congregation of the United Church of Christ in Chicago'

post writer perry bacon jr to whom the article is attributed seems to have done a more than adequate job of directing public attention to a pernicious scheme to smear barak, investigating its origins and providing the candidate an opportunity to refute it with his own words.

seems to me your outrage and indignation would be much more appropriately directed at the professional hatemongers and deluded assholes responsible for brewing up this particular biohazard.

to be clear--and for those who didn't read far enough into the article or any of it--bacon mentioned several by name: jeffey kuhner, editor of 'insight', robert spencer of 'human events' (two conservative publications more aptly titled 'lies n bullshit'), mark savage and, last but hardly least, opiate addled rush limbaugh who goofily claims to confuse obama with osama bin laden.

I really like this article, and having read others of yours, can read the disappointment in it.  But it is nothing new for those of us looking for news in news papers that do not subscribe to a liberal philosophy.  A year from now, if Obama gets the nomination, this paper will be writing a "news" story debunking this myth (or baseless allegation - as it may be true, but hardly supported by facts in evidence).  But it does lay bare what some of us suspect.  The paper has already endorsed Hillary Clinton, in deeds if not in fact in words.

why wait a year?

what the post did was to accurately report a deliberate falsehood being passed off as fact to smear obama, provide what appears to be its sources and attempt to evaluate how much damage it's done.

one paragraph into the article its writer states clearly barak is a member of a christian congregation. at least six other clear contradictions between rumor and fact are presented in the 22 remaining paragraphs.



based on your comment, it seems your dissatisfaction has a lot less to do with the publication's philosophy than it does the level of reading comprehension it demands from its readers.

Ah, kb, you never seem to disappoint me with your jumping to erroneous conclusions just to try to bash someone. Too bad you cant debate a topic with out getting that petty "you" (or your) in there dig. Too bad as well that you are just a mindless mouthpiece for your favorite rags. Perhaps one day you might get an original thought not fed to you by your handlers as well.

Apparently the Retriever isn't the Boston Globe, since the Retriever expects its journalism students to be professional and competent. Two things that escape the standards of The Boston Globe... or "professional" journalism in general.

hmmm 10 'you' or 'your' outta a total of 71 words = like a lil over 14%?

and i'm the one who supposedly can't debate without using those two words??

dayyum...almost enuff to distract someone who might otherwise notice not one of yall has cited a single word of that article or anything other than opinions to refute my argument.

santa's watchin. keep this up & he aint gonna be giftin the drguy house with no free tickets to a remedial debating courses no matter how badly it's needed.

i always love this one.

despite knowing it's rooted in delusion, this constant suggestion i'm considered important enough to have 'handlers' churning out 'talking points' tailored specfically for me really boosts the ol self-esteem

Like I said, no one should ever be made to feel ashamed.

f'n A   

None of my comments before YOU injected your pettiness had any YOU in it. The last comment was not a debating point, merely an observation. Learn the difference and you have taken the first step in chucking the handlers who feed YOU YOUR talking points.

sorry, guys, I've been working so missed the discussion on my own article. I don't have the Post in front of me with the article in it that got my goat, and when I tried to pull a copy up online, magically, it had disappeared. They got tons of flack for it. But the article is not the one you refer to, King Bee.

Remember -- I work hand in hand with the press, though hesistate in considering myself part of the press -- I produce photos to go with the spin (on both sides of the aisle) that everyone rallies against. However, my dad is a former reporter and I grew up in a household of journalists.

As for the nut jobs you reference, especially Michael Savage, I have to take him in VERY small doses. Limbaugh, no secret, I think is funny -- though dumbs down everything so even those popping pills can get the gist.

I think the press, over the past several years, has gone straight down hill. More and more they use each other as the story. It's amazing -- and sad -- and more and more my main source of news is CSPAN.
Gotta run and do some work!
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